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by ConfusedOfHomeCounties on 2004 Aug 29 - 00:41 | reply to this comment
Reply Concerning Nietzsche's Whip
It's a lovely idea, really, but I'm afraid you've got it backwards this time. Nietzsche's whip was wielded by Lou Salome, the femme fatale with whom both he and his friend Paul Ree were infatuated. There's a photo they had taken of them demonstrating their own "take" on this posted at http://uno.edu/~asoble/pages/SALOME.HTM

[Editor's note: the above link did not work for me, but here is the picture I think you are referring to:]



by a Taken In Hand reader on 2004 Aug 29 - 16:23 | reply to this comment
Feminism gave women a choice
In a curious way, the phallus and the rod (stick, cane, paddle, etc.) are much the same. Both are controlled by the man and are used on the woman. Both can bring a woman into subjection. The phallus with a child. The rod by denying her composure. Both deny the woman control over her life – which, of course, is why feminists object to women being subjected to either.

I don't know which feminists you are talking about here because both my husband and I are feminists, he more than me. We have no objections about to women being subjected to discipline.
Obviously no one movement has a single cohesive doctrine one way or the other. As long as there are two people in a movement, religion, philosophy, or political party, there are likely to be two interpretations of what it is about. Binary thinking in the form you express it is falsely divisive and always erroneous.
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